The overall sentiment is one of frustration, anger, and disappointment with both the Indian government's handling of security and Pakistan's alleged support for terrorism. There are calls for stronger military and diplomatic responses, and criticisms of the political exploitation of the situation. The sentiment reflects a mixture of mistrust and demands for accountability.

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This is the first time I’m seeing someone yelling at Arnab. The General was spot on.

Great-Ad-9105

The most we'll get out of this is a trash movie.

Critical_Prompt_1529

JusAThgt

The terrorists took sweet  time verifying and executing non muslims.  Where the F##k was security in the most popular tourist destination in Kashmir?

Noobodiiy

This govt is a failure. Pulwama, manipur, bengal and this.

hispeedimagins

Just saw a post from BJP chattisgarh. They did not wait even a second to milk this incident for votes.


They even freaking jiblified victim's pic.

jagdtyger

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What we need are advanced remote sensing capabilities, good intelligence networks, drones.

berserkgobrrr

That bitch runs a program with a hashtag seeking revenge, and no one bats an eye? Man, this country is fucked.

ActualJoel

Even though Gen. Bakshi is lashing out, we can clearly understand the pain he is going through in his voice.

No-Courage-3585

They did this because they cannot handle the finances of the nation properly. This is what happens when your govt is more corrupt than functioning as it should . People are facing brunt of taxes now because the govt was busy selling off and cutting down everything it could to run the nation at bare minimum. Only so much can be hidden by your godi media. 

"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."

pratzs

Actually all these are the failures of our government. Bas danga lagayenge.

3310_sumit

60 thousand soldiers retired from 2020-2022,in 3 years 180,000 soldiers retired and we have shortage of 1 lakh 80 thousand soldiers,angni veer yojana has destroyed recruitments.we need more soldiers.

What happened in pahalgam was an info error,god forbid if Tomorrow starts war we will not have enough soldiers to fight for us.

Our army truly need some updates and agniveer has to be dissolved.

divyaraj00

We need to have a serious discussion about shortages in the armed forces but realistically speaking, kashmir is one of the most militarised area in the whole world. Triple the manpower and you will still get such terror attacks. 

We need to strengthen intelligence gathering, actively engage the community, engage all stakeholders. Even with brilliant intelligence we will still have gaps through which such attacks happen. So hard power will not be enough, you need soft power, diplomacy…

Diplomacy is another way to fight wars, we must use it. Pakistan believes in bleeding india with 1000 cuts, in return we must bleed them with 1000 words, bullets and economic destruction. We have the means to do any and all of this.

upscaspi

WeWantRevenge - yes we do Arnab. Please grab your arms and head to the border right away.

indanofucingwau

Squidward_80

There's ample religious hate (which there should be given the history and circumstances) but not enough hate for the government.

How can there be such a lapse in our intelligence and emergency preparedness that these fuckers can come into one of the most popular tourist places, take their time identifying targets, kill innocent civilians, and then fuck off without so much as a chase!?

Pakistan is to blame, religious extremism is to blame, but so is this joke of a government. And in more ways than one, people who think speaking out against the government is being an anti-national are also to blame.

BJP/Congress/whoever the fuck is NOT India. Its people, its culture, and its heritage is India. And at the very least what it deserves is safety for its citizens.

fevildox

We've always had one of the largest armies in the world, that did not stop 48, 62, 65, 71, 99, and the numerous terrorist attacks. Having and paying for a big army instead of education and infrastructure will be the 1000 cuts for our country.

Organic-Yogurt-718

Lol, this Clown was supporting every wrong thing government was doing what happened now?

Lower_Landscape_73

It's a problem but it's not the only major problem. The militaries' fleet of 300 ALH helicopters have been grounded for the past three months due to some critical failures where no solution has been proposed by HAL. 

The Airforce was deemed to need 42.5 squadrons for effective defense of both borders however they have less than 31 squadrons currently operational. Of these squadrons only the Su-30 and Rafale squadrons are considered to be capable of taking part in a modern war with all other being aging cold war relics. 

There are innumerable number of problems across all three services relating to the availability of personnel, equipment, spares, etc, resulting in a diminished operational capability. 

The Indian military as a whole is not capable of defending India, the Indian defense industry is not capable of supplying sufficient spares and weapons materials to sustain any war plans, and people of India don't care. 

It takes decades of constant, consistent, and intelligent planning with effective execution to build a military and a military-industrial complex capable of national defense. However, this is not an important issue for Indians therefore it's not an important issue for politicians. 

We are happy to fight over reservations and privatization however the reality is that much of the blame for the current state can be laid at the feet of the low quality of people in DPSU's and DRDO. Yet they are forced to compete with private industry with sarkari salaries and sarkari recruitment requirements (caste based) yet turn out weapons systems that meet global standards. 

DRDO needs to recruit and promote without regards to reservation, social justice while important cannot be allowed to blind use to the needs of today. Second, the DPSU's need to be fully privatized with government holding a special charter that prevents their sale to foreign countries and dissolution. Finally the defense budget needs to be closer to 3% of GDP. 

India is bordered by not two enemies, just one enemy. Pakistan is at this point just an extension of China. And China has emerged as a potential superpower and considers India to be inimical to its interests. A serious people and a serious nation would take their national security more seriously. 

Having said all that, I know that nothing will change. Joke country, joke politicians, joker people.

Cookie_BHU

Ok let's say we increase armys strength.

Wtf was out intelligence doing?

tera_chachu

Pahalgam, a place which has a vivid history of terrorist attacks during international meetings and visits, was not on the intelligence community's radar while JD Vance was visiting India. This is not a lapse, it's pure complacency, borderline stupidity. Someone must be held responsible, fired and leadership changes must be made.

Why do terrorists pick Pahalgam? It's a famous tourist spot with large open grounds where there isn't much for the victims to run away or hide at. It's also on the hills where it's tough for the security forces to maintain strict surveillance. That's why they use local sources and informers. The abrogation of article 370, led to decommissioning of many troops and their local sources. This infrastructure was not replaced and a huge void was left open. Another example of Modi govt half-assing things.

ajsharm144

From we want justice to we want revenge..progress i assume

zigmud_void

Quote of the day: _"shove it up where sun don't shine"_ .

mylifeonearth_

To answer his questions regarding who cut the funding. It's the civil service officers in ministry of defense and finance ministry and the unsuitable politicians in charge of them. Incompetent Babus are ruining this country. MoD needs to be run by people with experience in the forces. Start lateral entry into civil services and hire better people. Sr. Army officers retire at around 55. They can still serve in relevant positions for 10 more yrs

maxcool007

fahadsayed36

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cavallinorampante86

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Brilliant-Page8819

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RumiOcean

Waiting on comments from Vishwaguru with 56 inch chest now. Let’s wait and see what great leader has to say 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Lives lost. Unfortunate

Middle-Spell-6839

This whole right wing zeitgeist of "running a country like a business" is a shameful affair. Cutting manpower for saving money and better balance sheets lead to horrible outcomes. From sweepers to IAS officers, from bank to rail- everything is unmanned, understaffed and function horribly.

ritogh

So glad to see sensible comments under this post. All we can do as civilians is raise our voice, not just post hatred on social media. Raise our voice, question our government for security lapses because Kashmir has a history of these incidents. Even one life lost is a big loss and look at the numbers here. These aren't just numbers, these are lives that were leading their families. I cannot imagine the pain. We want justice and speedy justice. All the terrorists need to be identified, pinned down and given capital punishment.

Flimsy-Filmy-3E3

I don’t know who this guy is but I’m ready to go to war for him!

Square-Profession532

AntiqueAd492

To all those who are asking for accountability of intelligence failure, you have no idea of the terrain of Kashmir and the local support these terrorists get over there. There is no intelligence agency in the world capable enough to prevent all attacks in a territory like that. Honestly, our forces and intelligence agencies have done a very good job in recent times. But we all have to realize that they can't stop every attack. 
For sure there will be some lapses but pinning it on government while not calling out the radical ideology is the most cowardly thing one can do.

firebolt1002

Seems like inside job election tou nhi aarhe?

Mohsincj

Bas isko event mat banao, sahab Return aa rahe hai

Submarine_1

Budget for party campaign: 500 thousand cr. 
Budget for army petrol, national security: 50 rs

thtdesigner

Has anyone even seen anything on geopolitics here? Since the admins keep removing my posts. Just 6 days prior, PAK army chief Munir was giving a "nationalist" speech mentioning Kashmir multiple times. The ter--ror----ists were from a front of TRF (L----qar---e----aeba) probably operating from the funds of the PAK deepstate. This was a show of force, don't you think, when the VP of USA JD Vance is in India exactly at this time this attack was executed. think about this rationally, this was done to show that INDIA IS NOT SAFE!! This was done to embarrass India at a global position.

South_Huckleberry619

Done with agniveer. Bring back regular commission so that serious soldiers can get enlisted. They have a pilot project ongoing in Punjab. Rest should follow.

MelodicOutside3282

Inside job krke ab chilla rha hai  

Ek bhi soldier nhi? Wah

Past-Explanation-165

Mostly some new movies from this incident nothing else

Sufficient_Focus3473

Arnub ki gamd fath gayi. Arey baazi ulti pad gayi?

Retribution7293

If I were to indulge you this was an incursion then they got over 200 miles into India in hilly terrain and back? What happened to all the security and intelligence? Also get whatever you want your nuclear so is your neighbour

Mad-Daag_99

We have enough army with swelled strength without any war or situations like that. This is a complete modi government and army failure.

nimeshgarg

General Bakshi usually sounds like he has a really bad case of piles, but he is right. The cost saving and woke mentality against security forces has profound implications and such security lapses are just an example.

Aka78pop

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Few-Doughnut-9405

This is bound to happen when state machinery is in hands of non martial races. The losers ruling India have shamed the fighting spirit of martial races of Indian Army multiple times.

Downovoting answers just because they don't match with your "Anti-ruling Government sentiments" is DIABOLICAL.

India doesn't have satellite 🛰️ , USA could see someone's wrist watch time from space in 1960s. Our Home minister Amit Shah is incapable of controlling pests.
What we need is someone from the ARMY /NAVY/AIRFORCE To be the home minister/Defence Minister. 
Strict bombing like USA did in Iran , B2 Bombers dropping 400 kilo tons of American Freedom In Kashmir. Sometimes to catch the Thief, one must burn the Jungle.

JAGSZEE

Cutting personell is not wrong. Modernizing the army would require fewer folks. This is an intelligence failure

merlin318

I wouldn't be surprised if this Bakshi fellow is found to be mentally unstable. Something is clearly wrong with the way he screams. Anyway, glad someone is screaming at Goswami.

ElitePenisCrusher

At this point, BJP should just dissolve the government and call for election, since they can't handle this country's finances and can't hand it over to congress without losing face. These idiots will destabilize this country.

hgwellsrf

Incompetency is a feature of Modi govt. They don't care about terrorists, they are themselves terrorists. The entire PMO itself is filled with incompetent nepo babies and yes men stroking modi's ego. That mf Amit shah has been home minister for what almost 6 years now. High profile terrorist attacks happened under his watch. But he is busy using spy tools on his political opponents. 

Kashmir is one of the most heavily surveilled places in India. Even with all that you can't pinpoint shit. What the fuck are you doing! 

At this point, to me it seems like every few years they allow terrorist attacks to happen, then make a propaganda film to milk votes.

I could say shame on them but it doesn't matter because they don't have any.

HelloPipl

Ganjedii

kulikitaka

I don't know how people will react to my opinion but try to hear it from an open mind..
The news has severely disturbed me, the thought that it could have been my family members and I couldn't have done anything to save them other than lay my own life hoping to save them somehow.
I have a few observations/thoughts about the attack and I want people who have more knowledge in the field.
1. The elections prior to the last one, Modi govt wasn't the people's favourite. Bang! There was Pulwama attack followed by a surgical strike and BJP was back being the majority favourite. Won the elections.
2. Again the citizens are questioning government policies and BJP isn't as popular. Suddenly there's an attack and I have seen posts regarding choosing BJP again over other parties if Hindus want to survive.
3. With foreign delegates visiting India, shouldn't the region have been under high security? It was surprising how there were no security personnel in the area and the terrorists walked out free after carrying out the attack. They got time to ask questions, people to recite kalmas and check their circumcision, etc and the security forces couldn't even reach in time?
All these questions have got me thinking if this was really a sudden attack or did the government decided to ignore the intelligence for dirty politics?

brahmahh

ksm270

Why wasn’t the Indian Army present at these tourist locations? Where the hell were they? Our tax money and this is the service you provide us with. 
Our army has failed us, our Modi government has failed us.

Alienz6

didn't the upper cadre proposed and promote the agniveer programme

Lullan_senpai

Whatever happened shouldn’t have. Let the investigation decide who is at fault. Even if we go for a war, I am confident we will win it, but decreasing the military size is an issue.

New_Recognition9507

increase tax and decrease army recruitment. what is the government doing with tax collected money?!?! it's high time people start asking questions

Imsuperrbored



1. Financial Impact of OROP on Government Finances

First OROP installment (2015): ₹8,000 crore (one-time arrears) ₹7,500 crore (recurring annual cost)

Second revision (2022, made applicable from July 2019):

Arrears from 2019 to 2022: ₹23,638 crore (announced in Jan 2023)

New annual recurring burden: Approx. ₹8,450 crore

🪖 2. Opportunity Cost – Soldiers That Could Have Been Recruited

Let’s assume the cost of recruiting and maintaining a new sepoy-level soldier for a year is roughly:

Salary + perks + training = ₹6–7 lakh/year (conservative estimate)

Over 5 years = ₹30–35 lakh per soldier

Soldiers that could have been supported over 5 years: 65888 cr/30-35 lakh = 1.8 lakh soldiers

So veterans pensions ate the young soldiers recruitment. Ofcourse there is an option to increase budget, but all of us know that we don't have unlimited funds.

How would the money for new soldiers come then?

Intrepid_Ad_1012

Where is the money for recruitment. All the money is being spend on Ladli behen and buying MP's.

xhaka_noodles

The numbness in the face of other panelist is worth noting.

Usually they ride the wave, but when your panelist exposé’s inefficiencies, then numb.

PassionateBytes

Aggravating-Yak7535

Intelligence Failure 



Nothing more can be said

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krakends

randomvariable10

I am ready to give taxes to the armed forces, damn you bloody corrupt govt leeching armed forces and it is coming to normal people

DarkJoker21

This govt can only control media to show glory pictures.. we all know the reality..

khaopiyomastraho

This is great! Arnab tells Gen. Bakshi that he has experts in the studio tonight. So Gen. Bakshi is no longer an expert?

Puzzleheaded_Two_100

The thing is everything that happens in the army post covid and a few pre covid years was to cut down cost at the expense of security. How ironic.

DearInvestigator1244

Really hope goverment takes some actual action on this

CaptainxX0

Let us keep hoping...eveeything seems so sinster..

Sea-Respect-1137

Terrorists ne apna kaam kia , hamare Home minister aur NSA ne nhi kia that's a fact . Chahe kuch bhi bolo 

Do you think terrorist log baki tym plan nhi karte honge attacks karne ka ? Ye to roz plan karte honge but hamari agencies rok deti hain YHI unka kaam hai. Is baar security lapse hua hai and this should be asked.

Accomplished-Host461

Man, it is not only about man power. Indian it was a major lapse in Indian intelligence. It is not like that other countries do not face such issues. When Hamas attacked israel, they predicted their moves easily and even though Israeli intelligence is said to be one of the best in the world, they failed. So we need better nationalism, better intelligence, heavy deployment and more advanced weaponry and especially drones.

Horror_Refuse5965

If you will see the condition of army its basically living in 2025 and using weapons from early 2000s heck our majority soilders dont even have scope on their rifles the pathetic conditions of equipments is another reason why it takes us so long to kill a single terrorist whats the kind of situation where terrorist have better ammunitions than us??

Zealousideal-Age-980

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Why do Indians use Israel everywhere? I'm pretty sure Israel doesn't use India in their protests. It's very similar to how Pakistan treats China as their daddy. Some(many actually) Indians really have this white daddy mentality.

Charming_Customer_27

Completely un-necessary. Will not achieve anything other than bad optics. America and other relevant countries are with India on this and the U.K will probably just be neutral. Stop inundating host countries with our political grievances. Please !! This will only fuel anti-Indian sentiments that are already at hazardous levels.

Ashen-Canto

Meteor450

haha - NRI. Rethink all the reasons jo udhar jaake passport ke liye apply kar rahe. 

Wapas aake support us?

vikas891

Main rehta roti aur  bacon  muh pe fek deta on that POS who did hand gestures.

Dushyant_Painter

Open-Willingness1747

Indians living in London,Canada and dubai should stop giving their businesses to pakistani and Bangladeshi owned outlets.

Marathi_bhaiya

I support carrying Israeli flags. This will give them eternal ache.

Nice-Actuary7337

ConfidentForm5487

Wtf is wrong with people. Why are they disturbing the people in the host country? Why would you disturb them over an issue that we have with another country that is not related to UK? Indians are known to go about their business without disturbing the locals in other countries.

Mission-Pay3582

what restraint, when one side has already failed to exercise it?

haridavk

"Any issues between Pakistan and India, we believe, can be and should be resolved peacefully through meaningful mutual engagement"

3 days too late dude.

I'd love to see a European country or for that matter any of these so called superpowers in the world to show "maximum restrain" after a terrorist state like Pakistan, murders their civilians cold blooded on their home land in a religion based targeted attack.

I believe appropriate restraint is already there, maximum restraint would have been the default if the neighboring state didn't have a history of violating peace and directly causing death of the civilians.

pjpasta

The UN is right. Both sides should act with 'maximim restraint' and not escalate this into a full-blown war.

Having said that, India should proportionately retaliate. In a sane world, Pakistan should be eliminating these terrorist organisations that operate out of their country. But given that Pakistan is in bed with these organisations, India has no choice but to do it herself.

Reasonable_Freedom16

When I'm in the most useless organisation competition and my opponent is UN

ActiveCommittee8202

bhodrolok

UN is such a useless org. Hasn't done anything fruitful in its existence lol.

interestingexciting1

India has called out Pakistan at the United Nations, labeling it a 'rogue state' following Pakistani Defense Minister Khwaja Asif's admission to funding and supporting terrorist groups. This development comes in the wake of a deadly terror attack in Pahalgam, Jammu and Kashmir, which resulted in the highest civilian casualties since the 2008 Mumbai attacks. International leaders have voiced strong support for India, emphasizing the global community's zero tolerance for terrorism. Concurrently, India has also placed the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan in suspension, citing prolonged hostility and emphasizing the need for sovereign water management rights. The overall diplomatic stance highlights escalating tensions between India and Pakistan amid calls for robust global responses to terrorism and evolving regional dynamics.

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